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Romans 8:22-39


There are two things in these verses that are important to me:

1) When we pray to the Father; we pray imperfectly. That is OK. It is a learnin g process getting to know the will of God.

The important thing is the Holy Spirit intercedes for us and prays for us perfectly in the Will of God.

This does not mean we do not need to pray:

"That would contradict many other passages of Scripture, especially James 4:2, which says. "You have not because you ask not," (James 4:2b NIV). God does want us to pray, and we are constantly encouraged to pray. Jesus taught on prayer. In Philippians 4:6, Paul tells us that we are never to be troubled or anxious, but in everything, with prayer and supplication, we are to let our requests be made known to God." [Ray Stedman]

No, we are to pray - it is just nice to know that the Holy Spirit is always interceding for us perfectly.

[Some will asay that this prayewr is out loud in tongues. Others that the Holy spirit is praying silently within us. It doesn't mateer to me which view people take as the Holy Spirit IS praying. However, if the tongues are done in public - one should know that it needs to be translated for the people overhearing. I tend to think this kind of praying should be done alone in a private place].

Romans 8:22-39
[Continued]

Before I get to the second important thing to me in these passages. Let's review Exodus 6:6-8.

Exodus 6:6 "Therefore, say to the Israelites: 'I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment.

Exd 6:7 I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God, who brought you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians.

Exd 6:8 And I will bring you to the land I swore with uplifted hand to give to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. I will give it to you as a possession. I am the Lord.' "

This is the seven "I will" statements of God regarding the plan God has for Israel: redeeming them from Egyptians, Bringing the out (Exodus), and delivering them to promised land.

Since seven is the number of completeness in the Bible - one can say it is God's complete plan. Now use the Bible symbolism and substitue "world" for "Egyptians", "sin" for "yoke of the Egyptians", and "heaven" for "land". You will see that these verses are a foreshadowing of God's complete plan for redemption, justification, and sanctification/glorification of the believer.

Notice that it is not Moses, nor Aaron, nor any other OT saint that will perform these actions. In the foreshadowing,it is not you, me, Mary, apostles, pastors, nor any other person in our lives who will deliver us to glorification.

God Will - period. This is His work, not ours. Jesus is translated: Jehova is Salvation. Salvation is of God. AND all the steps are done by God.


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Romans 8:22-39
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Passages on Assurance

Rom 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."


I have heard a lot of arguments about these verses. Watched them discussed in debates from youtube, google, etc. The verses are not corrupt as every ancient text scholar, secular or theistic, agrees the Greek text is undertandable. It says what it says. what does it say?

The verb tenses in Greek for foreknew, predestined, called, justified, and glorified are in aorist active indicative. So what?

Aorist active indicative indicates a completed action. Either done in a moment or over time. May be in the past, but does not have to be - so really a sense of timelessness.

It is an action, and God is the subject. God is doing each of these verb actions. If it is God and it is completed with a sense of timelessness, then it is truth.

God foreknew, God predestines, God calls, God justifies, and God glorifies.

This is called the "golden chain", and since God is doing the action and it is true - it cannot be broken.

This whole thing is about God, and not about us. God chooses, God saves, and God will develop our Christian walk.

Some say this isnot so. They do not claim it is 50/50 god and man. They like to say it is !00% God and 100% man. Problem with that is - if this is about God's glory and god does not share His glory (IS 42:8 and 48:11), then we have no role other than to submit as Christ did while He nwas here on earth. (After all Christ is our model is He not?}
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If God is in charge of each of our steps, and actually knew us before time began - If God sacrificed himself for us - if God has adopted us as His children when we believe -

then who can break that bond between us and God. Satan, humans, the believer - the answer: No one.

What God starts he finishes, no one can take us from His hand, God is big enough to do the job.

2 Chronicles 11-13:22


"13 VERSES 10-12

1. Abijah is telling them that they have not forsaken God, that their priests were of the lineage of Levite, and they are doing those things that God has told them to do. On the other hand, you are not!

2. Isaiah 45:9 says "Woe to him who strives with his Maker!.." You can try all you want and fight against the will of God, but you won't be successful. You will only be frustrated and discouraged. But when you don't strive against the will of God, you will find peace and comfort, you will find true joy. Why are so many people struggling today, in therapy and unhappy with life? Because they are striving with their Maker!

13 VERSE 18

1. Here is an important principle that we see throughout the Scriptures. The battle is never ours, it is always the Lords. Remember the night before Joshua and the children of Israel were about to have their encounter with the enemy in the land of Canaan, they were going against the mighty fortress of Jericho. And Joshua was out walking, looking at this city, pondering the battle that was quickly coming. And in Joshua 5:13-15 we read "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, 'Are You for us or for our adversaries?' So He said, 'No, but as Commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.' And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshipped, and said to Him, 'What does my Lord say to His servant?' Then the Commander of the Lord's army said to Joshua, 'Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.' And Joshua did so." God is the commander of the army, thus, as the enemy surrounds us, we can trust in Him, and walk by faith, and not tremble in fear."

https://www.ccmanitowoc.org/Library/Guglielmo-Joe/Studies/TH/14-2CH/TH1060.HTM

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