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Genesis 8:10-32

Mike – In your comments regarding Noah, the dove and the olive branch, I, for the first time see an example for us in how to walk by faith and not by sight. I believe that in every part of the Bible, Old and New Testament redemption, salvation, righteous living and holiness that point to the Messiah and His Work on the cross, can be seen. It just takes time and persistence to see it or have it revealed.


When Noah, sending out the raven that flew back and forth until the earth was dry and then sending out the dove, did this, he set an example of how to walk by faith. The text shows us that even thought there was a window on the Ark his eye sight was blocked. He knew that the earth was out there but he was not able to use his five senses to determine the condition of the ground. We are told by the apostle Paul not to walk in or after the flesh especially in his letter to the Romans. Moses relied on two birds that feed on and live amongst two entirely different food sources.

The raven is a carrion, it feeds on dead things, dead flesh. The dove, which is also a symbol of the Holy Spirit, does not hang around death. Paul states:

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Romans 8:1 KJV)

The olive branch represents the anointing, the Anointed One. The raven flew back and forth feeding on flesh, the dead things of this world. Moreover, there would have been a lot of “flesh” floating on the water and the raven had a field day. But the dove can’t hang out with the dead, she/he needed the “Annointed One,” the Olive Branch, in order to live upon the earth, so too those called by His Name.

Please note the above may just be the product of a very fertile imagination.

(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
(2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV)

Grace and peace,
Ramona

Comments from “Bereishis” (or Genesis) from the Artscroll publication of “The Stone Edition of the Torah” are very enlightening on these passages. I wanted to share some of the comments from our Jewish foundation:

Genesis 8:11 – when the dove came back to Moses with an olive leaf in its mouth. The dove had eaten the leaf in freedom after being in the ark for a year.

A spiritual lesson: “Even the bitterest food eaten in freedom is better than the sweetest food given in servitude.”

Genesis 8:16 – When God commanded Noah and animals to leave the ark

In telling Noah to go into the ark with the animals, God used His Name “HASHEM” – the God of Mercy

In telling Noah to leave the ark, God used His Name “ELOHIM”. This Name means:
a. JUSTICE: God WILL ALWAYS do what is right. Evil WILL ALWAYS be punished, and what is right WILL ALWAYS be rewarded.
b. Elohim refers to God’s total mastery of the Mighty One who yields authority over beings above and below
c. IN OTHER WORDS, God was reassuring Noah that he would not be defenseless as he entered the world that had just been destroyed.

There is GREAT comfort here. GRACE and PROTECTION ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

Genesis 9:2 –God placed the fear of man in animals

When man was first created, the fact that Adam had named all of the animals and that man had been made in the image of God, indicated that man had authority over animals. However, mankind during the chosen and willful sin of the fall from Grace and from God, was determined to give up the image of God for “animal nature”.

However, after the Flood, God restored the blessing of the image of God in man by placing in fear of man into the animals. The Torah makes this comment:

“This concept means that as long as man is true to his Godly image, he need not fear beasts, but if he descends from his calling, after the fashion of the Generation of the Flood, he must indeed fear the beasts of the wild.”

IT STRUCK ME THAT, when we deliberately do what we know is wrong – SIN IS LAWLESSNESS – then we descend into sin and death away from our calling of being like God. WE ARE CALLED TO BE LIKE GOD – through GRACE in order to BRING GLORY TO GOD.

As we seek God’s glory, we find our highest GOOD !

Also, as we fulfill our calling of loving God and being like God, we are PROTECTED BY HIS GRACE.

Of course, we are always called to offer ourselves as LIVING SACRIFICES. Like Jesus, that may mean literally dying to save others.

Genesis 9:13 – Rainbow: Sign of the covenant

“When you see it, it should remind you of the Flood, and you must bestir yourselves to rouse people to repent.”

Genesis 9:18 - 27 – Noah became drunk with wine

This “demonstrates that even the greatest people can become degraded if they lose control of themselves, and it shows, through the different reactions of his sons and grandson [i.e. Canaan], that crisis brings out the true character of people. Thus, it is a powerful lesson in history and morality.”

I AGREE !

Vance

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Hello all!

I agree with what Mike wrote about chapter 9 and Ham telling his brothers outside. Compare Ephesians 5:11-13, 'Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.'

This says to me that we mustn't join in the deeds of darkness, but we musn't run away from them either - rather we are to shine on them. So, not exposing to the light, as in the cold light of day and exposing to the public, but rather exposing to the true Light! Like photographic film - we can't be exposed to the Light and not be changed by it. I have no idea what Noah's sin was, and I think the writer has left it out on purpose. It isn't the important part of the story. Perhaps good to compare Luke 6:39ff here too, regarding specks and planks.

Man, how I need to learn these things myself!

Thomas

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Vance

I have a interesting question for the group. How did Noah know that the Cannenities were the desendents of his son Ham?

Then he cursed the descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham:


"A curse on the Canaanites!
May they be the lowest of servants
to the descendants of Shem and Japheth."

26Then Noah said,


"May Shem be blessed by the LORD my God;
and may Canaan be his servant.

27
May God enlarge the territory of Japheth,
and may he share the prosperity of Shem;[e]
and let Canaan be his servant."


Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Mark

It was interesting to me that in verse 12 I think, that not only did God make his covenant with men, but also with every living thing, including the animals..

And Mark, this is off the top of my head, maybe it's something Moses added in when he wrote down the Genesis account, maybe Noah said something along the lines of "cursed be your offspring", and Moses added in "the Canaanites".. I don't know though... Is there a biblical rule for scripture that we see as illogical, but primarily because we don't have the whole story, like Cain's wife, ect. Where the writer made an assumption obviously that we would understand yet we don't. In some areas they seem to be very careful to point out exact details like Noah's age when he got off the boat and in others they don't seem as important. I'm sure there is a interpratation rule or guideline, I would like to read more about it!

Mark, Noah probably did not know about the nation called Canaan. He did know that Ham's son was named Canaan (logically, Canaanites are the offspring of Canaan--I guess my offspring, were I to have any--would be "Lauraites"). On the other hand, Moses (the author of the Torah--Gen, Exo, Lev, Num, Deu) did know about the Canaanites, so the name of Ham's son was not lost on him or his readers.

Hi...this is my first time blogging and it's off the current subject. Please forgive me, but I wanted to join in w/Mike on memorizing scriptures. Does anybody have any good ideas on how to go about doing this?

Hi Pam. See the comments at the bottom of the January 3rd post - there are a bunch of great suggestions & tools there - at this link -

http://www.oneyearbibleblog.com/2006/01/one_year_bible_.html#comments

Mike

Just a minor operational point. There have been two Andrew's posting comments in the last few days, so I changed my TypeKey nickname to 'Andrew B'.

The verse that jumped out at me today was Psalm 4:4. "Don't sin by letting anger control you. Think about it overnight and remain silent." This is a verse I need to memorize.

Also Psalm 4:5. "Offer sacrifices in the right spirit, and trust the Lord." This made me think about Cain. It could have been his offering, but it also could have been how he offered it.

I am in such awe that God gives us all this information we need in one book. No sequel. And it applies as much today as it ever did.

Blessings,

Nancy

I didn't get to share something about yesterday's Scripture of Psalm 3:7 - ...Slap all my enemies in the face! Shatter the teeth of the wicked!

How many times have we felt this way in anger toward our enemies, but because of what Jesus taught (to love & bless our enemies); I am afraid to pray the way David did in this Psalm!!!

AND...this is when his/David's own son/Absalom was after him...wonder if he/David was including him in his teeth being shattered?!?!?! David must not have known the costs of dental work!!! :)

I know that I'm not running from a physical large army, but perhaps a large demonic/legion army that is after me. Sometimes I have wished I could cry out what David prayed in this verse ...but I am restrained by the Holy Spirit & a healthy fear of God.

Don't get me wrong, I say what I feel with Him, but I have never prayed harm on anyone...perhaps prayed a good spanking/chastisement from Abba for misbehaving sons & daughters (but I know what He does will be done fairly).

I just thought it was kinda funny what David prayed & showed his heart & teaching (pre-Jesus/New Covenant).

I understand that David is/was not perfect & neither are we...just human beings that are forgiven (PTL).

Jan

Regarding Genesis 9:5-6
And murder is forbidden...and any person who murders must be killed. Yes, you must "execute" anyone who murders another person, for to kill a person is to kill a living being made in God's image. THE TRUE MEANING OF "CAPITAL PUNISHMENT."

Regarding Psalm 4:2 - How long will you people ruin my reputation? How long will you make these groundless accusations? How long will you pursue lies?

Has anyone experienced this type of persecution? I have...I was terminated for witnessing at a private denominational university (imagine that) & I experienced those very verses & know how David feels.

BUT...God rewarded me for laying down my life for others & not letting man stop me. I have the best job that I have ever had in 52 years...a blessing beyond imagination.

In answer to the question - where is God asking me to serve? For me, it is serving my adult children - especially my daughter and my grandson (9 months old) by having them live with us and caring for him while she works (though her heart's desire is to be home with her son) and goes through this hard time in her life...consequences of poor choices. I would much rather be just the Granny rather than the daily care-taker, but that isn't what I believe God is calling me to right now. I pray I'm discerning this call correctly...

I've really learned a lot in all the readings here and comments. One thing that struck out to me in reading the 10th chapter and the geneology is verse 8 & 9 - and how Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord. A couple of thoughts - it does not matter what we do, as long as we do it for God, we can be mighty for Him. And how was he mighty? Did he use a lot of his "best" meat for sacrifices? Did he give it to the needy? Just some considerations.

could someone please explain the blog stuff to me? i noticed that if you click on the writer's name, their address comes up in a blank email. so you could email me. i wrote some comments the other day but they dissappeared the next day
deb

Will there be a new reading everyday?

Joyce,

Yes, there is a new reading daily. We are going through the Old and New Testament and the Psalms, twice, and Proverbs in a year. If you need to find out where we are scroll up to the top of this page and click on "MAIN"

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