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1 Samuel 10:1-11:15


I am a person that goes to the core of things, the cause—the effects are just grass to be mowed down and managed, but the core is the key to the problem. No one just rolls out of bed one morning and commits a heinous act. Character flaws are clearly seen if one looks; but the root, the causal seed takes study. For me it is important to do self-study, if I make a misstep, a sin, I need to not just look at the sin but look at why I did what I did. What is it I believe about myself, about God about the problems I face and faced to take the action I took? Those are the types of questions I ask.

Jesus said,

The upright (honorable, intrinsically good) man out of the good treasure [stored] in his heart produces what is upright (honorable and intrinsically good), and the evil man out of the evil storehouse brings forth that which is depraved (wicked and intrinsically evil); for out of the abundance (overflow) of the heart his mouth speaks. (Luke 6:45 AMP)

We speak in three ways, our words, sprit and our gestures (body language) and what I do and what I say, when lined up, make a powerful testimony of what I truly believe about myself, about God and about those around me. What does Saul really believe about himself, what does he believe about God and about the people who he will be serving as king; or is Saul thinking the people should be serving Him.

Maybe because I’m looking at the entire picture of Saul’s life, I am now looking at him in his entirety. He began with a BANG but ended with a whimper. The things that led to that whimper are in his character right now in these verses, in these chapters. I want to study them so I can take heed of what the Apostle Paul wrote in the tenth chapter of I Corinthians,

But God was not pleased with most of them, for they were cut down in the wilderness. These things happened as examples for us, so that we will not crave evil things as they did. (1 Corinthians 10:5-6 NET.)

The Children of Israel are not the only ones who had a wilderness to go through. Everyone who comes to Christ has their own desert to cross, their own tests to take; what can I learn from Saul to help take me to the next level?

Grace and peace,
Ramona

There was a time when Israel rejected God and replaced Him with man made gods,when the time for war came,God said"let your gods save you".Now we see God again being rejected yet this time,he gives Israel what they ask for...a king.To them,he looked the part...Handsome,tall and his father was a man of valour.Compared to Jesus who is said to have had nothing majestic about him...nothing to attract...came from the home of a poor carpenter.True,the things that are seen are temporal.Today we don't hear about Saul but we sing about Jesus...and we hear about David.Guess it would be good to see why as we read on.I wonder sometimes why God this time didn't get angry at Israel's rejection but shows love and protection.True His thoughts and ways are beyond our comprehesion(unless he chooses to reveal it to us).It is good to seek the will of God because even if we do get what we want,in the end we realise it wasn't worth it.
God bless you all

What have you noticed so far about Saul's character, Ramona? I am on the edge of my seat!

Proverbs 15 (NKJV)
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A soft answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.
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The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good.

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When I think of Proverbs 15:1, I think of the following passages:

What Moses said in Exodus 32 (NKJV):
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Now when Moses saw that the people were unrestrained (for Aaron had not restrained them, to their shame among their enemies),
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then Moses stood in the entrance of the camp, and said, “Whoever is on the LORD’s side—come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together to him.

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Then Moses said, “Consecrate yourselves today to the LORD, that He may bestow on you a blessing this day, for every man has opposed his son and his brother.”

What Jesus said in Matthew 10 (NKJV):
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“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
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For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;
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and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’
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He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
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And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
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He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

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Obeying God will cause conflict, even in families. Obviously, obedience and loyalty to God are more important loyalty to family.

What does this look like?

If each member of the family surrenders to the Spirit of Christ and prays together, then each family member will voluntarily surrender to Jesus in the heart first and do His will. Then, together as a group, the glory of God can be demonstrated in a greater way as the whole group agrees and flows with the Lord.

What if members of the family oppose the one family member who is intent on seeking the Lord first and doing His will above all else? Jesus anticipated this. God through Moses and Jesus instructs us that if necessary—our enemies may be of our own household because we obey.

Proverbs 15 verses 1 – 3 are very instructive. We can have a heart to obey God and yet act in the flesh, and give a rash and harsh answer to family members or friends who do not want to do God’s will.

Or… we can trust the Lord to provide wisdom on how to respond. Wait on the Lord, and He will provide the way of wisdom: “The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly…”

God will always support us, as He said, “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good.”

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We see hope of later reconciliation in the Scriptures, even in Jesus’ own human family.

See Jesus’ brothers disbelieving in Him and making fun of Him in John 7 (NKJV):
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After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him.
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Now the Jews’ Feast of Tabernacles was at hand.
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His brothers therefore said to Him, “Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing.
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For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.”
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For even His brothers did not believe in Him.

Note how Jesus’ brothers later were praying together with others waiting for the Holy Spirit from Jesus in Acts 1 (NKJV):
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These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

May we seek the Lord and fulfill His Word in our lives and trust the Lord to work in our families.

Vance

>>What have you noticed so far about Saul's character, Ramona?>>

Micah Girl, I'm still taking notes, underlining the text and going, Hmmmm! I have my subway ride back home from work to continue my pondering. I tell you what, if I get something about this, I'll ask God to remind me to send you an e-mail. Sometimes this kind of stuff takes days.

All my blessings
Ramona

Psalm 107:
23They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters;

24These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.

25For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.

26They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.

27They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wit's end.

28Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.

29He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still.

30Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven.

For me this is yet another of David's prophetic points where he reveals the very Lordship of Jesus to us long before He walked on water and stilled the storms of the disciples - this for me is such an awesome revelation of Jesus' power in advance - yet even with presumably knowledge of this Psalm, the disciples still weren't overly convinced even after Jesus did indeed calm the storm. But as Mike also pointed out, we shouldn't wait until our own storms to praise Him for what He can do, but rather continue to praise Him for what He has already or is continuing to do in our lives. Storms are but a test of how well we've listened to what He's taught us thus far, and how much have we understood about His revelation to us of Who He is! There's a wealth of difference in knowing about Him to actually knowing Him personally. And sometimes He will use some pretty major storms in our lives to keep reminding us of that fact, and to push us into sticking closer to Him than ever. Blessings, Romayne

The link Mike provided showed something about Saul I never thought about...1)it was his servant not Saul who had the idea to seek out Samuel..2)Saul after being appointed in front of Israel,went back home to continue farming...
My conclusions...Saul didn't really have seeking God on his agenda...well that could have repercursions right?
Bless you all..

John 6:48-58

I read the bible in a straightforward manner. And yes, that means I would understand some passages to be literal that others would not. That being said the "Bread of Life" discourse is a "spiritual" discourse. In vs. 63 Jesus says as much.

The progression
vs.29 Work of God is to believe IN the one he has sent.

vs. 35 He who comes and believes will never go hungry or thirsty.

vs. 40 Everyone who Believes IN the Son will have eternal life.

Vs 47 Jesus repeats himself (probably now in the synagouge) - he who believes has everlasting life.

Everlasting life is a spiritual concept. In the very next verse Jesus says, "I am the (or that) bread of Life" (Note the use of ego eimi or the "I AM" statement.) Bread is a metaphor.

The words used for "eat" are "phago" and "trogo". Phago has an explicit metaphorical meaning of " consume, take in". Trogo is a more intense form of eating - implying "gnawing at and getting to the core". It does not have an explicit metaphorical meaning, but since it is used in a spiritual passage, and is used to elaborate on a metaphor, I feel pretty comfortable that its use is not literal here - given the context of the passage.

vs. 56
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him."

Merrill C. Tenney has a very compact statment regarding this metaphor of "Bread of Life":

"The metaphor of eating and drinking is the best possible figure that can be employed to express the assimilation of one body by another, the method whereby life is transferred from the eaten to the eater. The literal eating of Jesus' flesh and the drinking of His blood were not demanded" (John, The Gospel Of Belief).

It all goes back to John 1:12-13 with the concept of all those that received him (take him in) and believed IN His Name (Jehovah is salvation) had the authority to become children of God. Co-heirs to Heaven. To know (ginosko) Him in an intimate personal way is to be ensured a place in heaven.

How do you get that intimate with Christ? By taking him in (consuming Him), feeding on Him - His words, His sprit, and metaphorically his body and blood.

This to me - is what the "Bread of Life" discourse is all about. It is a spiritual lesson about eternal life.

Just ran across this:

John 6:56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

v. 56 It is "real" food because it gives "real" or eternal life. And, carrying the metaphor a step farther, it does that because it enables us to participate in the life of Jesus Christ himself.

http://www.faithtacoma.org/sermons/John/John22.6.52-59.Aug13.00.htm

Below are comments by St. Augustine, Gelasius - bishop of Rome, and a couple from the Believer's commentary on "Bread of Life" discourse

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Believe, and you have eaten already.

"Who is the bread of the Kingdom of God, but He who says, "I am the living Bread which came down from heaven?" Do not get your mouth ready, but your heart. On this occasion it was that the parable of this supper was set forth. Lo, we believe in Christ, we receive Him with faith. In receiving Him we know what to think of. We receive but little, and are nourished in the heart. It is not then what is seen, but what is believed, that feeds us. Therefore we too have not sought for that outward sense.

This is then to eat the meat, not that which perishes, but that which endures unto eternal life. To what purpose do you make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and you have eaten already." (Augustine, John: Tractate 25:12).
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“The sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, which we receive, is a divine thing, because by it we are made partakers of the divine-nature. Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine does not cease. And assuredly the image and the similitude of the body and blood of Christ are celebrated in the performance of the mysteries.” Gelasius, bishop of Rome, in Jacques Paul Migne, Patrologiae Latinae, Tractatus de duabis naturis Adversus Eutychen et Nestorium 14.
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In verse 47 we read that “He who believes in Me has everlasting life.” In verse 54, we learn that whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood has eternal life. Now things equal to the same thing are equal to each other. To eat His flesh and to drink His blood is to believe on Him.

MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. 1997, c1995. Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and New Testaments . Thomas Nelson: Nashville
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In the bread of life discourse, our Lord began with fairly simple teaching. But as He progressed, it was apparent that the Jews were rejecting His words. The more they closed their hearts and minds to the truth, the more difficult His teaching became. Finally He talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. That was too much! They said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it” and they quit following Him. Rejection of the truth results in judicial blindness. Because they would not see, they came to the place where they could not see.

MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. 1997, c1995. Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and New Testaments . Thomas Nelson: Nashville
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Amen, Amen

The NIV I think misses a great point of importance by using the phrase "I tell you the Truth".

The KJV uses "Verily, Verily" the original word in Aramaic is "amen" - meaning so be it, or truth.

Before testimony is given in Jewish courts the witness first says "Amen" (truth) to indicate the veracity of his testimony.

On very important points Jesus does the same thing. Except he repeats it for emphasis. It would be wise to highlight all the "Verily, Verily" statements of our Lord.

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