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Jonathan is a good example of one who put the kingdom of God before any earthly kingdom.He should have been next in line to Saul yet he knew David would be the next king.He saw David as a brother in faith and loved him,nothing else mattered...he supported David to his own hurt.
A messianic Jew once told me that the word "I am"is not used at all in hebrew out of respect for God.For example if one had to say "I am going somewhere"they'd say "I going somewhere"just so they wouldn't pronounce the same words God used to introduce himself.Jesus must have really made some jews mad when he didn't hesitate to use I am...here he makes it so clear that he really meant "I AM".Even today few people acknowledge Jesus as deity.I pray we who know can always be a light that beckons to those who don't know Jesus as "I AM".
God bless you all

I like the verses that Mike quoted from yesterday’s reading:

I Samuel 18 (NKJV)
Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
And Jonathan took off the robe that was on him and gave it to David, with his armor, even to his sword and his bow and his belt.

COVENANT is a very powerful thing. If we give up God and lose the idea of the sacrifice of Jesus for us, we will lose the idea of covenant. If there is no God, there is no absolute truth—simply one person’s opinion and the power to enforce that opinion.

God is a God of covenant, and He always keeps His covenant.

Note how Jonathan made covenant with David: When he gave David his robe, armor, sword, bow, and belt. In effect, Jonathan was saying, “I will always honor you and—if necessary—I will give my life to protect yours.” David also made a reciprocal covenant with Jonathan.

Similarly, if there is no covenant, there is nothing binding a person to keep his or her word. Again, if there is no God, there is no binding agreements—only fickle human emotions.

John 8 (NKJV)
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

Again, Jesus’ Word is His covenant. Jesus’ very life, death, and resurrection were part of a living covenant with God and man. When Jesus died on the Cross, He died as our substitute—in our place—taking our punishment for sins in our place.

However, there is something more to this: When Jesus died on the Cross, He died as our REPRESENTATIVE. Thus, when Jesus died to sin—WE DIED TO SIN. When Jesus rose from the dead—WE ROSE VICTORIOUS OVER SIN. When Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father—JESUS TOOK US WITH HIM, and IN CHRIST WE ALSO ASCENDED NEXT TO THE FATHER.

May I—may we—truly abide in the Living Word—the Lord Jesus—by abiding in the Written Word in order that the Spirit of God may manifest through us the Life of the Word of God in and through us.

This is where meditation comes in. Meditation on the word—continually thinking, praying, pondering, speaking, believing, receiving—is very important.

Psalm 111 (NKJV)
Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.

Psalm 86 (NKJV)
Teach me Your way, O LORD; I will walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name.
I will praise You, O Lord my God, with all my heart, And I will glorify Your name forevermore.


1 Samuel 18:5-19:24

The relationship Saul had with David can be seen in thousands and thousands of homes, workplaces, and sadly families and churches. Insecure people trying to “puff” themselves up in mainly their own eyes; insecure people who are afraid that the façade they have placed around themselves is showing, which it either will eventually and will give them away. There is always a love/hate relationship at the core, but that love is based on the desire to benefit themselves as the expense of others, which is a lust.

Either thinking that God is ineffective and senile or either God is bypassing them because of their shortcomings, they need the people they despise to make them look good, but hate them because they fear they will be shown up by success that is not theirs to call their own. .

I think that tormenting spirit from God is because of the absence of a godly spirit within Saul. If a space is empty, in this case Saul’s heart, then what is “no good” will fill it. There is a law in Physics that states, two things cannot occupy the same space, it has to be one or the other. For me reading this brings back that Proverb I have mentioned that has spoken so powerfully to me and continues to speak.

He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls. (Proverbs 25:28 KJVR)

Self-discipline is a fruit of the Sprit and without that Spirit, any and all controls are external not internal. Once the external controls fall or fail, which they will, then anything can come in and everything is going out.
But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness, Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge]. (Galatians 5:22-23 AMP)

The question is begged again, What is in control me? Is it the Holy Spirit or is it some external rules and regulations, is it peer pressure to behave? The Ten Commandments are great but if they are only external restraints’ and not written upon my heart, my controls will be lost.

Grace and peace,

John 8

Random notes:

In Chapter 6 Jesus in the "Bread of Life discourse showed himself to be greater than Moses. Now here in Chapter 8 Jesus shows himself greater than Abraham.

vs 31. Like I said before there are disciples, and then there are disciples. Again Jesus says,'once saved, hold to my teachings (abide in me) and then you will show yourselves to be truly (Gk. alethos) my disciples.'

vs 33. Never been slaves of anyone? Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, not to mention slaves of sin. The disagreement is getting heated and words are being thrown out without thought of their veracity.

v. 44 I am still waiting for someone to explain the concept of Devil as a "nebulous evil force" instead of a real entity. Here personal pronouns are used, a time frame is given, a personal attribute (liar) is applied to the devil (Gk. Diablos) - seems apparent to me the Devil is a real entity.

Vs.56 Whether Abraham actually saw the day, or saw it in a dream, or metaphorically saw it when through his faith he was justified - I don't believe is as important as 'Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing this day. These physical descendants of Abraham did not rejoice when it was actually happening before their eyes.

v. 58 Once again even if one does not want to admit what the declaration of "I AM" means (see Anka's comment) just LOOK at the reaction it causes amongst the people.

Oh my! In reading the text in the Hebrew Scripture today, I was curious about who Adriel of Meholah might be; he was the son of Barzillai, but my search led me to remember that in Chapter 17 Saul had already promised Merab (his eldest daughter) to anyone who killed Goliath. Saul hated David so much that he was willing to make his eldest daughter a widow by using her as bait to get David killed -- sending him out to kill the Philistines!

David did not demand what was rightfully his, and in fact in humility regarded himself lacking the nobility from his small clan to be worthy of such an honor: To become son-in-law to the king!

Davidian Dynamics: Humility
Sermon by Dr. Ronald W. Scates
King Saul of Israel began as a humble man. We can read in 1 Samuel 9 that as he is anointed king, he resists, out of a deep, deep humility. But somewhere along the line, Saul starts believing his own press clippings. His motto becomes, “When you’re as great as I am, it’s hard to be humble.” And Saul’s humility gives way to an egotistical arrogance and a pathological murderous pride.

As we bring our sermon series on “Davidian Dynamics” to a close, for the 1st time now, you and I are going to be able to peer into the heart of David and what we’re going to discover there is a posture of humility that stands in stark contrast to the arrogance of King Saul.

Saul said to David, “Here is my older daughter, Merab. I will give her to you to in marriage, only serve me bravely and fight the battles of the Lord.” For Saul said to himself, “I will not raise a hand against him. Let the Philistines do that!”

But David said to Saul, “Who am I, and what is my family or my father’s clan in Israel, that I should become the king’s son-in-law?” So when the time came for Merab, Saul’s daughter, to be given to David, she was given in marriage to Adriel of Meholah.

...Well, you see, David has already done that. He’s already fulfilled the qualifications for the prize. Why does he have to go do something else? And secondly, what’s going on here is not an offer of Saul’s daughter’s hand in marriage; it’s the offer of a death sentence. Saul is hoping that David will go out and do something brave on the battlefield and that David will get killed on the battlefield.

It takes a humble person not to take the bait. David doesn’t take the bait and by not doing so, he saves his life and he foils Saul’s murderous plot.

Humility is all about you and me understanding who we really are in relation to the greatness of God and the magnitude and the majesty of His grace.

...David refuses Saul’s offer, the offer of the fast track and in doing so he ticks off a litany of his own smallness, his unworthiness. He says, “Who am I? What is my family? What is my father’s clan in Israel that I should be worthy to be the king’s son-in-law?” And by refusing this fast track, David saves his life.

Jonathan Edwards once said, “The best protection you and I have against the Devil and his schemes is a humble heart.”

It’s David’s humility that spares his life and it’s David’s humility that keeps him from going in the opposite direction of God’s will.

What offers, what prizes, what fast tracks, does the world throw before you and me? Perhaps a promotion. If you’ll… A business deal comes along that encourages you to bend, if not outright, break some ethical parameters. What about an invitation into the halls of power?


Saul seems to vacillate in his affection for David; in fact he appears to be rather unstable in all his ways much like James describes a double-minded man.

I must get more understanding about prophesying. I do not understand Saul's ability to prophesy after hunting down and trying to kill God's annointed. I will pray about understanding.

In the Psalms I have always loved to read "His love endures forever," and today we see also that "His righteousness endures forever."

God is SO GOOD.

I was remindend in today's proverbs of my haughtiness and trying to justify wrong behavior this past week; I confess, I have been a mocker who resented correction.

Thank YOU LORD for making that clear to me.

i. When it says that they were all prophesying, it isn’t that they were all predicting the future. The Hebrew word simply has the idea of speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They were probably all giving spontaneous and inspired praise to God.

b. Then the Spirit of God was upon him also: Why did the Holy Spirit come upon Saul? For the same reasons He came upon the messengers Saul sent to capture David. First, to prevent David’s capture. Second, to tell Saul, “Hands off My servant David. I am in charge here.”

i. There may have been an additional message to Saul in this: “Saul, you are prophesying now, speaking beautiful words of praise and wonder to Me. This is how I could work in you all the time if you were humble and willing.”


In regard to what John expressed: "i. When it says that they were all prophesying, it isn’t that they were all predicting the future. The Hebrew word simply has the idea of speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They were probably all giving spontaneous and inspired praise to God."

My take on this is they are/were declaring the future of the Kingdom of God coming on the earth...which can mean "predicting" the future. It sounds so carnal the way John stated his point of view & it really is not carnal at all, but very very supernatural in Him.

The prophetic takes so many slams in this time & day, but the prophets were always sent forth from Him before something happened...in other words, we/they are warned of the future event(s) before it takes place.

1 Peter 1:19 - 19-Because of that, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. Pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a light shining in a dark place--until the day Christ appears and his brilliant light shines in your hearts. 20-Above all, you must understand that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophets themselves 21-or because they wanted to prophesy. It was the Holy Spirit who moved the prophets to speak from God.

Household gods....I just couldn't help noticing the issue of household gods.When Michal was Saul's house maybe Saul wasn't a godly enough man(nor a good father)to make sure there was no other god except God in his home...Wonder if David ever knew there was a household god..or if he cared what his wife was doing.It does say Michal was in love with David,never says David returned her affection...Anyway,it seems Israel would sing praises to God for victory in battles but still kept their household gods...and to them that was ok.I pray God reveals our own security blankets(household gods)to us and gives us faith to look only to Him.
God bless you all


Not my words - I happened to see what Sue asked and just lifted some commentary. It is from enduringword.com. I had read about the two types of propheseying (SP?) in the past. Predictions and praise. BTW what is the tipoff as to which they are doing?

Should have put some quotes on it, but I was on my way to the dentist :(


Thanks for your question yesterday. It will be a day or two before I have time to write up a proper answer.

Andrew B

I like the reference and insight on success, total obedience to Christ and his Word is the key to true success

I caught up last night, was behind 2 days & I found it totally astounding what happened to the prophets & Saul when the Holy Spirit hit them all...what a wonderful supernatural act of God...just astounding!!!

No one can withstand the Holy Spirit & He is not always a gentleman as we have been led to believe...in this case there were men's wills being trespassed by God Himself...they didn't have a choice...they prophesied!!! This permissive will stuff doens't quite fly in the face of God's will...choice or no choice on our part.


John and Jan~

Thank you so much for your insights on prophesying!! I hope to do a study on this when I get an opportunity, and you have given me some "food for thought" that I hope to digest soon.



I too pondered that idol thing Michal used to make it appear David was in bed. Must have been a pretty "life-sized" statue for them to have been duped by her, eh?

God's love and blessings,

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