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2 Samuel 13:1-39

Open rebuke is better than love that is hidden. [Prov. 28:23; Gal. 2:14.] (Proverbs 27:5 AMP)

I wonder if David spoke to his sons? I wonder if he shared with them his hopes for their lives, his fears, his missteps, his sins. We have big fat white elephants standing in the living room, yet no one acknowledges it while they take up space, pooping on the floor and eating up everything in sight. It is a common practice amongst families to ignore that which is troubleing be it behavior, past grudges and perceived wrongs. Why is it that we attempt to hide things that are out in the open? We ignore their presence then act with great big surprise when the consequences of our failure to acknowledge what is so visibly obvious standing in front of us, bares fruit.

I don’t know when the Fifth-first Psalm was written exactly but it does seem that David knew that his sin with Bathsheba not only called for death for both parties, but also was a blatant abuse of his power. David wrote that Psalm to be song in the Temple by the choir. Did David share with others his broken and contrite heart before he shared it with his family? Do we commit sin with our families all around us and fail to confess what we have done to them, while baring our hearts to others?

We wrongly think that what we do inside the cocoon of our family unit will not affect and effect our children, spouses and nieces and nephews, but in truth, our actions speak louder than our words. God didn’t have to put a “curse” on David because his sin, our sin, gives fruit to its own consequences. David’s actions with Bathsheba did not happen the instant he saw her bath on her own rooftop, it happened in his heart with other women at other times. And beside all that David had a multitude of wives there was no need to go after someone else’s. We don’t just roll out of bed one morning and commit adultery, or murder, or rape or steal. The sin has been going on in our hearts long before we put feet to our thought and turn them into actions.

You are jealous and covet [what others have] and your desires go unfulfilled; [so] you become murderers. [To hate is to murder as far as your hearts are concerned.] You burn with envy and anger and are not able to obtain [the gratification, the contentment, and the happiness that you seek], so you fight and war. You do not have, because you do not ask. [I John 3:15.] [Or] you do ask [God for them] and yet fail to receive, because you ask with wrong purpose and evil, selfish motives. Your intention is [when you get what you desire] to spend it in sensual pleasures. You [are like] unfaithful wives [having illicit love affairs with the world and breaking your marriage vow to God]! Do you not know that being the world's friend is being God's enemy? So whoever chooses to be a friend of the world takes his stand as an enemy of God. (James 4:2-4 AMP)

I am of the school that David knew who Bathsheba was because Uriah was one of his Thirty Men of Valor. Maybe he did not know who she was personally by sight, but he would have had to know that Uriah had a wife. In addition, Bathsheba’s father, Eliam, was also one of the Thirty. (2 Samuel 23:34, 39) and Eliam’s father was Ahithophel, David’s trusted advisor who when he gave counsel it was like the voice of God.

Can you imagine the reverberations throughout the palace, the gossip, and the cries of “hypocrite?” Those on the outside of the family may operate in forgiveness quicker than those in the family especially when unforgiveness is planted deep in the hearts of one’s children. The spiritual leader of my church has a teaching out on Video that makes this statement, “When we fail to forgive in such a way that we hold a grudge, we take upon ourselves the sin of the one we are holding a grudge against and then are doomed to repeat their mistake because we carry their sin.

Exercise foresight and be on the watch to look [after one another], to see that no one falls back from and fails to secure God's grace (His unmerited favor and spiritual blessing), in order that no root of resentment (rancor, bitterness, or hatred) shoots forth and causes trouble and bitter torment, and the many become contaminated and defiled by it-- (Hebrews 12:15 AMP)

David had Uriah killed, one of his Thirty men of Valor, the consequence: Absalom had his on brother killed.

What grudge is hidden in my heart? What elephant is taking up space soiling my relationship with God? Whose sin am I holding on too that if I don’t let go will propel me to commit that same sin but exponentially? Forgiveness is not about the one who sinned, forgiveness is about me giving no place to the devil in my heart. Forgiveness frees me from the sins of others.

Grace and peace,

I have been trying to get the Trackback to work, without success so far, so this is to provide link to an OYB related post on my weblog.


Andrew B

Reinventing Jesus (book)

I picked up this book on the recommendation of a Christian apologist (defender of the faith). He is Catholic, so while we have a difference in doctrines, but in some areas I find his work useful.

The writers are from the same seminary as Bob Deffingbaugh and the book is very readable, but loaded with information. It is designed for the lay person that wants to learn about the areas below.

The book is an answer to skeptics, and the thought progression is as follows:

1) If Gospels written decades after Christ, how do we know that the writers got the story right?


2) How do we know the Gospels/N. Testament were copied faithfully?


3)How do we know the right documents were included in the Bible?


4) What does this say about the earliest belief in Jesus?


5) How do we know the thing wasn't plagarized from other religions?

The easy answer for a believer is we believe the "above" points because of faith and divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These men believe that to - but their book focuses on historical and social custom data to support their claims to all of the above.

A while back when a student in a Religion (college?) class dropped by, we discussed #1&2. I offered to give her a list of sources to research my claims - which ran counter to her beliefs about the Bible.

She never responded, and it would have been a pain to go through and google up all the documents I have read the last two years and compile a comprehensive list for her. In this 262 page book, I am familiar with most of their defenses of the five points, but there is over 60 pages of "end notes" listing all the sources - which is nice to have all in one place.

Finished half the book and I would say it deserves a place in a Christian's personal library.

When the king came to see him, Amnon said to him, "I would like my sister Tamar to come and make some special bread in my sight, so I may eat from her hand."
I can't help thinking about relationships as I read this.Didn't David think it an odd request for Amnon to want to eat out of his sister's hand?Didn't Tamar think it improper for her to go into her step brother's bedroom(since in those days the fact that they had the same father didn't mean they couldn't get married)...I got led to Christ by a brother who spent over two hours councelling me alone...he'd been with Christ for over 10years..I had so many questions to ask so we spent alot of time together.As time went on(after I became saved)he was certain because as he claimed,God had assured him I was to be his wife.Unfortunately for him,I had eyes only for Jesus and refused to consider any relationship.He took it very hard.I finally made up my mind to go to church since I realised I couldn't fellowship with this guy anymore.My fellowship leader began closely monitoring my growth,came to my house alone to fellowship..and once even invited me to stop over at his place after an all night prayer meeting at 5 am!!I refused politely because honestly at the time I really think he meant it "that way".
I was so hungry for God that I would spend hours with anyone who was ready to answer my many questions,most times these people were of the opposite sex.Now I go around discouraging people of the opposite sex from spending so much time together because it could be used by satan to bring up some dangerous situations.Sadly many people throw caution to the wind and end up being hurt or hurting others.I still get amazed now just how God had protected me then because in most cases the brothers were pretty sought after by the sisters and I was fresh out of the world(not a saint)yet I was so focused on Christ that I was blind to everything else.Sadly we hear of sexual sin in church even among pastors because little seemingly spiritual pursuits if not handled wisely can turn out to lead to a trap that not only affect those involved but also the world that watches from a safe distance outside the church..............
May we be truly as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves.God bless you all

John 17

Bob covered this so thouroughly in three part commentary - that I will pass on posting.

However, it is interesting to note the position regarding Judas. Not sure if National Geographic (promoter? of Gospel of Judas) understands:

John 17:12b
"...None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled." NIV

"...and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. KJV

"...and none of them was destroyed, except the son of the destruction, that the Writing may be fulfilled." YLT

But then again I guess you would have to believe the Bible is the WORD of God.

"Our Lord did not lose Judas, because he never truly believed in Jesus as the Messiah. His departure was not an exception to the rule, but the fulfillment of prophecy (verse 12)." - bob Deffingbaugh


"I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world." NIV

"They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word." NIV

"I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours." NIV

"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world." NIV

In the quotes "gave" and "given" are from root word "didomi". The definition list is too long to put here. So I linked it:

It means what we think it means in English usage. I just wanted to note these verses. Commentary is not necessary. Just food for thought.

Proverbs 16:6

Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;
through the fear of the LORD a man avoids evil.

Even the word love in Hebrew connotes a love based on "faithfulness".

Gal 3:6-7
"Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham." NIV

Earlier in Proverbs we saw the "fear of the Lord" (reverance) leads to (heavenly) wisdom.

So why are these two paired together?

Through "faith" (belief in God)sins are atoned for, and through reverance (true reverance implying faith) man can avoid evil in the first place.

Of course people wander. War with the flesh....David being a prime example in Old Testament.

Amnon and Tamar

Amnon was David's first son by Ahinoam
Tamar was the daughter of Maacahf
Maacah was the daughter of Talmai, King of Geshur.
Jonadab was the son of Shimea (David's brother)
Jonadab was Amnon's cousin and counselor.
Four reasons Tamar gave Amnon for why he should not rape her:
It was utterly a deplored act in Israel because it violated the law of God (Leviticus 18:11)
As a fornicator, Tamar would be scorned as an object of reproach; though the crime was perpetrated against her, she would bear the stigma of the one defiled "like one of the fools in Israel."
Amnon would be regarded by the people as a wicked fool, a God-rejecting man without principles--jeopardizing his right to the throne.
She appealed to him to fulfill his physical desire for her through marriage, even though she knew half-sibling marriages were forbidden in the Mosaic law (Leviticus 18:9, 11; 20:17; Deuteronomy 27:22).

I can relate to Amnon in regard to the feelings of revulsion. When the Holy Spirit convicts you to NOT do something, and you dismiss that strong warning, I have found that the end is similar to what is described in Amnon's hatred for Tamar that was stronger than his desire initially. Great lesson here.

Odd how we hate taking responsibility for our action, even when we recognize our guilt: Amnon then sent Tamar away so that it would appear that she had been guilty of some shameful conduct--that perhaps "she" had initiated the seduction.


Though very angry, David did not punish Amnon.

Hate begets hate~

Amnon hated Tamar;
Absalom loathed his half-brother, Amnon.
(2 Samuel 13:29). Several able scholars assert that this is the first place in the Bible where a mule is mentioned, but this writer believes that Gen. 36:24 also mentions this animal. The particular word in Gen. 36:24, found only there in the entire Bible. The KJV translated the word mules, as favored by Jewish scholars; and besides that, the first use of hot springs as a translation did not occur until the times of Jerome. (For a more adequate discussion of this see Vol. 1 (Genesis) of my series of commentaries on the Pentateuch, p. 441.) Lev. 19:19 forbade the Jews to breed hybrids; but the Jews either traded for them or purchased them from those who bred them. There appears to have been an extensive use of mules as saddled animals for riding by royal families. David had "his own mule," (evidently a favorite) (1 Kings 1:33).

"...consoled concerning Amnon's death..."

Absalom was no doubt welcomed at the court of his maternal grandfather, a pagan king who no doubt heartily approved of all that Absalom had done. David, at first, grieved bitterly over Amnon's death, but in time this grief was diminished, and David's heart once more longed for the return of Absalom.

As Matthew Henry expressed it, "Time wore off David's grief for Amnon, but it also wore off entirely too much of his detestation of Absalom's terrible sin.

This final little paragraph is difficult, and scholars tell us there are imperfections in the text; "But the sense must be that David gradually became resigned to Amnon's death and anxious to see Absalom again."

Keil seriously questioned this understanding of the place, pointing out that the sense as alleged here is at variance with the fact (as stated in 2 Sam. 24) that when Absalom was finally allowed back in Jerusalem, David did not allow him to come into his presence for years. We believe that a more perfect knowledge of what is written here would resolve that difficulty.

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