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Job 13 (NKJV)
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But you forgers of lies, you are all worthless physicians.
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Oh, that you would be silent, and it would be your wisdom!

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“Hold your peace with me, and let me speak, then let come on me what may!
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Why do I take my flesh in my teeth, and put my life in my hands?
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Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him. Even so, I will defend my own ways before Him.
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He also shall be my salvation, for a hypocrite could not come before Him.

NOTE:
verses 4 and 5 make me think of James 1 (NKJV):
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So then, [Know this or This you know] my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
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for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
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What an amazing verse! Job clearly does not understand what is happening to him, nor why? He knows God is in control. He may not have insight into the devil
"licking his lips with delight", asking God to let him harm Job.

Job’s persistent determined faith is truly a precious thing here. If Satan thought he could turn Job aside, he clearly was wrong.

May you and I set our wills and minds in dependence on the Holy Spirit and the Word of God through prayer, worship and praise in such a way. May we be like Job, as highlighted in James 5 (NKJV)
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Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.
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My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.
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Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.

Also, may we NOT be like Job’s “friends”, also as in James 5 (NKJV):
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Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned [judged]. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!
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I Corinthians 15 (NKJV)
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Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
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Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

NOTE:
Job, in his particular case, did not choose to spend time around his “friends” during his severe and frightening trial. They came to him.

Yet, we can choose our friends. May we choose wisely. Life is like a spider web: If you gently push on a spider web on one side, every other part of the web is affected. Life is like that. The friends and consistent company we keep will affect our spiritual life.

We need to always brush shoulders with non Christians so they can hear and see the Lord Jesus in us by the working of the Spirit through us.

Yet, we need friends to inspire and challenge us to follow after Christ with all we have and all we are.

I Corinthians 15 (NKJV)
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And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear [NOTE: or, let us also bear] the image of the heavenly Man.

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The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
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But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

NOTE:
I like the note added on verse 49: “Let us also bear" the image of the heavenly Man.

May we set our wills and minds to seek the Lord in praise and worship so we do just that. The world can hear truth from us—and there is no lack of words in the world.

The world hungers to see the Lord Jesus in us as we live and speak in the power of the Spirit.

We can only “be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord” through the Holy Spirit of Jesus working through us.

Psalm 39 (NKJV)
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I said, “I will guard my ways, lest I sin with my tongue; I will restrain my mouth with a muzzle, while the wicked are before me.”

NOTE:
Words are never “neutral”. Words consistently spoken are believed. They are like seeds which grow up to develop fruit.

May we only speak life so we can guard our ways and our hearts.

Proverbs 18 (NKJV)
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A man’s stomach shall be satisfied from the fruit of his mouth; from the produce of his lips he shall be filled.
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Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

Vance

Reading Job alongside the Psalms reminds me how many of the psalms could have been written by Job because they reflect his experience so well. Life is hard, but our hope is not in ourselves, but in God.

Regarding The Book of Job - in the chronological Bible, Job is the second book after Genesis (if my memory serves me well).

If any one knows this for sure, please confirm/verify for us.

jan

Regarding Mike's comments: "Old Testament - I forgot how much trash-talking goes on here in the book of Job! It occurred to me that all of this bickering back and forth between Job and his friends keeps transpiring without Satan coming up in their comments at all. Meaning, no one seems to realize that Satan is the one who has afflicted Job! And I'm wondering if this happens in our lives today as well? Do we sometimes miss it when Satan is literally attacking us? Do we blame others? Blame ourselves? Maybe even blame God? When the blame should be directed at the Deceiver? I think Job and his friends could have used Michael the Archangel to come into the picture here and whoop up on Satan like he's doing in this painting below from the year 1518 by the Italian artist Raphael:"

The one very most important lesson to be learned from Job is this - satan only has the power that God allows him & no more. God allowed satan to sift Job as he does us - usually to help us to become the image of Christ. There is nothing that affects the true sons & daughters of God that is not sifted through His hands first.

satan is a “functionary” by a divine purpose/person/God!!!

I refuse to capitailize his name/satan - but we are advised/warned in the scriptures to give him/satan respect & rebuke him only through God & that is not always the case in this day & time. If anyone can find the 2 scriptures I refer to - would you please, I don't have my Strong's Concordance here at work & I don't like the one online - much harder to find.

jan

Glad I found your site!

Job

I agree with Ramona. The Participants in these arguments do not know God, because there has been no revelation by God.

There has been no revelation by God for the friends because they have put God in a box. They have figured God out, and they "talk" about God. How many Christians today do that? Do not seek to know God through His Word, but are comfortable with their perception of God and His ways as THEY understand it.

Job is addressing God ( a form of prayer), asking questions, and today wants a sitdown with God. Job wants to understand, and is seeking God. Job wants answers.

This is different perspective from his three friends. And it just struck me: WITHOUT THESE CALAMITIES HAPPENING TO JOB, MAYBE HE NEVER WOULD HAVE COME TO THIS PLACE. Maybe Job would have remained in the same mindset of his friends. Perhaps this is not about God proving something to Satan, as much as a means to get "man" to desire to KNOW God. What God reveals to Job will not be what he wants to know - but it will be what Job (and us) need to know.
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JOB REPLIES TO ZOPHAR

Job is geting tired of the same argument being presented over and over. Strikes back:

'You are so smart, doubtless the earth will be left without wisdom when you die.' (OUCH) He understands the concept of God as well as they do, but they are not looking at it from Job's perspective of misfortune.

The unjust seem to prevail, while I suffer.

Acknowledges God controls all life, and God controls the fate of nations.

Job wants to argue his case before God.

Job’s friends are “worthless physicians” and smear Job with lies - it would be better if you were silent - that would be wisdom (OUCH II).

vs. 15a "Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him" NIV or "trust" in Him. Job may be forlorn, but he has not lost his faith.

Job challenges God: withdraw your hand, and let's talk.

Job’s prayer: “why do you hide your face” Used in Psalm 13, 44, 88.

Life is short and full of trouble, even the mountains pass away.

Yet, in vs 13 and 14 Job questions God with thoughts of death and ressurection.

End of round 1. Theme: helplessness of Natural Man.
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ELIPHAZ TAKES THE GLOVES OFF.

The more diplomatic one of the friends now turns to a harsher tone.

Job condemns himself with his own words.

Job has no special revelation. (NOTE: But in his own way Job is seeking that special revelation).

No human is righteous. Fate of the wicked is destruction = precisely the situation of Job.

So repent of your sin.
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What are his Friends doing? Accusing or comforting job. Satan is the great Accuser of the righteous. I am becoming more convinced that the friends inspiration for arguments is not from their limited knowledge of God, but that limited knowledge inspired by Satan taken to a "locked in" thought process.

Remember Eliphaz's vision. Perhaps that was not a vision from God?????


John, I wondered about that vision also - sounded a little demonic to me too. BUT...I have seen His eyes of fire once in a dream/vision & it freightened me; I rebuked it if not from Jesus & accepted it because it was - and He spoke to me regarding those eyes of fire.

jan

Job 12-15:35

What is a friend? Job has these three “friends” surrounding him yet he finds himself defending himself from their accusations. Not only is Job arguing with them but he is also pleading his case before God. Job is wearing himself out using his words as a verbal defenses. I don’t know how it is with anyone else but when I find myself in a situation like Job is in, I become both mentally and physically exhausted. Here is a definition of a friend that I’ve heard on several occasions and have adopted it as my own. A friend is someone who knows everything about you and still likes you. It doesn’t seem to me that Job’s so called friends really liked him—their companionship was based on specific conditions. Job had to be healthy, wealthy and posses a wisdom they personally approved.

Am I a friend like Job’s friends—one that only encourages when someone doesn’t really need encouragement? When the money is gone do a gripe, accuse? Is my silence one of silent prayer and intercession or am I quietly imagining all the things they must have done wrong?


Grace and peace,
Ramona

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