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1Cor15:29-58

All kinds of interpretations on this verse.

1Cor15:29 "Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?" NIV

To me the key is - Paul does not say "we" here. He is not refering to the Corinthians. Eleusis, a nearby city, whose pagan religion practiced "baptism for the dead" may have had influence on Corinthians. Corinthians may not have practiced this "baptism for the dead". (No documentation anywhere that this parctice went on in Corinth.)But they may have argued for it or put it forth for consideration at the "assemblies".
http://www.carm.org/questions/baptismfordead.htm

If this is true, then Paul may be saying. Look, how can one even consider "baptism for the dead" if there is no bodily ressurection? (Paul does not condone the practice, but points out that the concept itself screams a "bodily ressurection.")
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"Bad company corrupts good character." from Menander's THAIS. ca. 300 BC

Menander was a Greek playwright who often moralized thoughts. Paul picks someone the Corinthians would know to exhibit that they need to come to their senses. We are to be in the world, yet separate. Corinthians are blurring the lines and trying to mix the "world" with God's Word. That is a sin, cut it out, and rely on Scripture. This worldly wisdom is messing up your thought process on the Ressurection. The key element of Christianity.
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"How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?"

It is a spiritual body and it will resemble Christ. It will be different - just like a seed looks like a seed, but the plant that comes from the seed (after seed died) looks different.

Through all the comparisons Paul makes of natural then spiritual. I would just like to point out that again - in vs. 45 Paul affirms Adam was a "real person".

I don't know what the spiritual body will look like. If it is true that the universe has at least nine dimensions as mathmeticians and physicists utilizing "string theory" claim - then God must have at least one more dimension. In this case, no wonder Jesus had to proclaim or reveal himself when he visited disciples after the crucifixion. Yet they could touch him and Jesus ate with them several times. Stuff to strange to figure out.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/11.05/MathematicalDan.html
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RAPTURE

Rapture concept comes from verses 51-53 here and 1Thes 4:13-18. Timing is not specifically the issue in these verses. Some Corinthians do not believe in the bodily ressurection, and Paul here says not only is there a bodily ressurection of the dead, but guess what - I got a mystery for you.

Mystery - some teach that mystery is something not revealed in the OT. Others say it is just something really difficult to grasp.

Regardless, Paul says,not only is there a ressurection of the dead, but those alive when Christ comes back will be changed (transformed). Paul uses "we" and as he has been talking to church - this refers to believers.

"We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed"

Not all will be dead, but all (dead and alive) will be transformed.

This will happen quickly (flash, twinkling) at the last trumpet.

Much has been made of the last trumpet, and who knows who is right. Personally, I think it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make it conform to Revelation verses or eschatology in general.

Let me give a simple way to look at it - it WILL BE at the last trumpet. In school (back in my day)there is a bell to dismiss a class, and a bell to mark when you should be in the next class.

If Christ, the last passover lamb, died at 3:00 pm on Passover like the gospels say - then it is possible that the passover lamb in the temple that day also was sacrificed at the exact same time. (Time period ranged from 2:30 to 3:30 pm for the temple sacrifice of passover lamb.)At the moment of sacrifice - the shofar (trumpet) was blown from the temple walls. This would be the first bell, indicating the time to dismiss class (leave the Mosaic covenant for the New covenant).

So now we are in the period of the "church".

Then the last trumpet here might just signify that this is the time to be in the new class (Heaven). Of course Christ will do it so quickly that we will not be late :)

Or the Last Trumpet may just signify the end of the "church age" - even simpler, yet still keeps the concept of the first trumpet being that shofar blast at Christ's death.

Just a thought.

Regardless the dead and alive (believers) will be transformed at that time - whenever it occurs.
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Timing becomes in issue when you look at the victory over death here and "the last enemy to be destroyed is death" in verse 26.

I guess they could be the same, but they may not be talking about the same thing. Victory over death could signify the idea of death being conquered in Christ (for believers) since this is when believers receive "glorified bodies". Death as the last enemy may refer to after the millenium - (people will die during the millenium), and finally the unbelievers will be raised, judged and sent to "lake of fire". that will be the final vanquishing of death. Everyone from then will exist eternally - in heaven or hell.

Job 19 (NKJV)
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Then Job answered and said:
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“How long will you torment my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
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These ten times you have reproached me; you are not ashamed that you have wronged me. [A Jewish tradition reads make yourselves strange to me.]

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For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth;
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And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God,
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Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

NOTE:
Again, may we make a point to not say foolish things to people. Let our “Yes” be “yes” and our “No” be “no”. And if we do not know something, may we simply say, “I don’t know, but I will try to find out”. Then we can go to prayer and find out exactly what the Holy Spirit has for us to say to people in a particular situation.

I praise God that Jesus IS the Resurrection and the Life! May we spend quality time with the Lord Jesus in prayer—receiving from His Word and from His Presence—the Truth of God until WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW (without a doubt) “that our Redeemer lives”.

Once we really are established in that by the Holy Spirit, we cannot help but be effective witnesses of the Risen Lord!

I Corinthians 16 (NKJV)
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Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.
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Let all that you do be done with love.
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If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed [Greek anathema]. O Lord, come! [Aramaic Maranatha]
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The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
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My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen.

NOTE:
Christians are called to walk in courage. I once met a Black Muslim on the subway bus in Virginia headed for Washington DC. I could tell he was a Muslim by his head covering. We talked, and I told him loved Jesus and that I followed Christ by the grace of God.

He indicated that he respected me because he knew the calling of Christ—to live above the culture of personal pleasure for obedience. He said he had been raised as a Christian, but decided to become Muslim. I don’t recall his name. Pray for his salvation.

I like the following comment on verses 22 and 23 in Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary:

“Many are Christians in name, who do not love Christ Jesus the Lord in sincerity. Such are separated from the people of God, and the favour of God. Those who love not the Lord Jesus Christ, must perish without remedy.”

“Let us not rest in any religious profession where there is not the love of Christ, earnest desires for his salvation, gratitude for his mercies, and obedience to his commandments. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ has in it all that is good, for time and for eternity. To wish that our friends may have this grace with them, is wishing them the utmost good.”
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Psalm 40 (NKJV)
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Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; my ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.
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Then I said, “Behold, I come; in the scroll of the book it is written of me.
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I delight to do Your will, O my God, and Your law is within my heart.”
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I have proclaimed the good news of righteousness in the great assembly; indeed, I do not restrain my lips, O LORD, You Yourself know.
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I have not hidden Your righteousness within my heart; I have declared Your faithfulness and Your salvation; I have not concealed Your lovingkindness and Your truth from the great assembly.

NOTE:
These verses were interpreted by the Holy Spirit to be completely fulfilled in the Lord Jesus in the book of Hebrews.

Hebrews 10 (NKJV) – Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will

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Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me.
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In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure.
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Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—in the volume of the book it is written of Me—to do Your will, O God.’” [Psalm 40:6-8]
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Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them ” (which are offered according to the law),
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then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
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By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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Note what the determined will of the Father which was worked with His energy through Christ for us: “By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Jesus gave His all. May we also, like the Psalmist, “declare Your faithfulness and Your salvation.” May we “not conceal Your lovingkindness and Your truth.”

Jesus has given us HIS VERY SELF! Why would anyone want to keep that Good News to themselves?

Proverbs 22 (NKJV)
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A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches, loving favor rather than silver and gold.

NOTE:
I do not see insisting on having “a good name” anything to do with self centeredness. In fact, quite the opposite.

A good name is a good reputation. A truly good reputation is born out of the quietness and “alone-ness” of our lives.

If a man or woman does not have a good name, who will trust them? Without a good reputation—born out of the fixed determination to do what is right—we have nothing.

We can, and must, choose to do what is good—even if no one is looking or watching—but simply because it is right. Of course, not to “earn” salvation, but out of love for God and love for what is good.

I really like what C.S. Lewis has to say about goodness in “Mere Christianity”:

“Dualism means the belief that there are two equal and independent powers at the back of everything, one of them good and the other bad, and that this universe is the battlefield in which they fight out an endless war. The two powers, or spirits, or gods-the good one and the bad one-are supposed to be quite independent. They both existed from all eternity. Neither of them made the other, neither of them has any more right than the other to call itself God. Each presumably thinks it is good and thinks the other bad. One of them likes hatred and cruelty, the other likes love and mercy, and each backs its own view.”

“If Dualism is true, then the bad Power must be a being who likes badness for its own sake. But in reality we have no experience of anyone liking badness just because it is bad. The nearest we can get to it is in cruelty. But in real life people are cruel for one of two reasons- either because they are sadists, that is, because they have a sexual perversion which makes cruelty a cause of sensual pleasure to them, or else for the sake of something they are going to get out of it-money, or power, or safety."

"But pleasure, money, power, and safety are all, as far as they go, good things. The badness consists in pursuing them by the wrong method, or in the wrong way, or too much. I do not mean, of course, that the people who do this are not desperately wicked. I do mean that wickedness, when you examine it, turns out to be the pursuit of some good in the wrong way.”

“You can be good for the mere sake of goodness: you cannot be bad for the mere sake of badness. You can do a kind action when you are not feeling kind and when it gives you no pleasure, simply because kindness is right; but no one ever did a cruel action simply because cruelty is wrong-only because cruelty was pleasant or useful to him. In other words badness cannot succeed even in being bad in the same way in which goodness is good. Goodness is, so to speak, itself: badness is only spoiled goodness. And there must be something good first before it can be spoiled.”

Vance

Regarding the question dealing with Proverbs 22:1

Mike the core of one’s reputation is one’s character. If you look at one’s reputation as what is left behind AFTER physical death then one’s “rep” can only be truly known after death.

Greatness and fame (which most people are seeking) are not one and the same. We will manipulate the situation, information and put a “spin” on truth when we seek to keep our reputation intact. When we do that all we have build is a false façade around who we really are. And one day, either during our life time or after our death, the truth of who we are will come forth. It’s all about thinking from an eternal perspective and not a temporal one. Fast-food is not a 20/21st Century phenomena, folks have been feeding on junk spiritual food since the beginning of time. Greatness is long term and is greater than a person’s physical life. How many people do we celebrate today that in their lifetime they were wrongfully vilified? Wasn’t Jesus vilified by all but a handful of people at his death?


Grace and peace,
Ramona

I just want to say thankyou for this blog! I have recently begun the oneyearbible reading plan, it in itself is such a blessing of course, but being able to read anothers insights into the readings is also encouraging and thought provoking as well. PLease keep it going!! Keep up the good work of the Lord!

Job

Like the energizer bunny rabbit, the exchanges between Job and friends go on and on and on and on..... :)
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JOB REPLIES TO ELIPHAZ

His friends are “miserable comforters”.

God has persecuted Job.

Job calls for a heavenly witness to vindicate him.

KJV (makes a little mopre sense.)
19"Also now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high."

20"My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God."

21"O that one might plead for a man with God, as a man pleadeth for his neighbour!"

Job acknowledges the need for an intercessor with God. (foreshadows Christ).

Job goes back to being forlorn in chapter 17.

Yet another Biblical truth is thrown out there:

Job17:3 "Give me, O God, the pledge you demand.
Who else will put up security for me?"

If sacrifices are not enough when I sin, what is it you want in "exchange". Who else will pledge oneself for me, to free me of these trials?

Indeed who else but God in the form of Christ can fulfill God's "exchange". Job does not know, but he wants to know.
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BILDAD'S TURN
Condemns Job for rejecting them.

Poetically describes the horrible fate of the wicked.

Again he is describing the fate of Job. So you have sinned, now repent.
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JOB REPLIES TO BILDAD

Why do his friends reproach and persecute him?

Job calls to God, but God does not respond.

God has stripped Job of glory and crown.

Job’s family has deserted him.

Note that in verses 23 and 24 Job wishes his words would be recorded to stand forever. God grants that request as He does other things that Job seeks.

Job claims that his redeemer will vindicate him.

Job 19:25-27
"I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.

And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;

I myself will see him with my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!" NIV

There is much discussion on these verses. Job has been asking for such an intercessor - now. However, these verses seem to indicate - that whatever happens - eventually Job will be redeemed and resurrected. That is Job's belief - that a redeemer exists or will exist and Job in the flesh will see God.

Where did he get this idea from? Some scholars say it is too early to have this kind of idea regarding God's plan. Really? I suggest he got the idea from Adam as it has been passed down generationally. I want to do a flashhback to Genesis - but will do it in a separate post.
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JOB SEEKS

Summary: Job seeks for -

1- Arbitrator (9:33-34)

2- a witness to testify for him (16:18)

3- a redeemer/vindicator (19:25)

4- a face to face meeting with God (13:16).

Interesting, Job seeks while his friends expound on their view of God and how it applies to Job.

Yet Job's requests of being recorded and the four listed above are all answered.

The face to face in the book of Job, the first three in Christ.



GOD'S WORD FROM ADAM TO JOB

There are eight references to Adam in seven verses of NT. Adam is real.

Adam is not stupid. God made Adam in his image. Adam was made to rule on earth. Adam had quickly sized up animals and named them all. Adam and Eve had communed with God, walked and talked with God in the garden. I repeat - Adam is not stupid. He is a very intelligent human that has a great memory, probably speaks well, and has had fellowship with God. My theory: Adam knew exactly what happened in the Garden, and what it symbolized.
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FLASHBACK TO GENESIS 3
(talked about this once before many many posts ago)

Some people have trouble with a talking serpant (snake) deceiving Eve in the garden. Me too, I just accepted it as something I could not understand. Then I picked up a copy of Bullinger's "Companion Bible". Bullinger breaks down Hebrew and Greek text to the minutest detail. He seems to know the forms of literature, differing styles, words and their roots, construction styles of the passages, etc. He is great on Figures of Sppech. Bullinger offers an explanation of Garden scene that seems plausible to me. Let's look at it:

Satan was not a serpent. He came to Eve as an "angel of light". Eve had communed with God. She had seen His glory and light, she was not scared or put off by a "shining being" who spoke well and engaged her in dialogue. This "shining being" deceived Eve, and got her to doubt God's Word.

Oh come on! How did Bullinger come up with this scenario?

Hebrew word for "serpent" is "nachash" and literally, yes, it means serpent or snake. But the root of the word means: "shining whisperer," "shining enchanter."
http://headcoverings-by-devorah.com/HebglossN.html

So Bullinger is saying that instead of using a literal translation of "nachash", one should look at it figuratively using the root. He gives an example of "nachash" used in Numbers 21:8. Bullinger also asserts that Gen3 is in the hebrew literary style of "Intorversion". That the cherubim in the last verse (Gen3:24) must be offset with another similar spirit being in the first verse. If your curiosity is piqued, I encourage you to read the appendix 19 from the "Companion Bible" at this link:
http://www.ovrlnd.com/Teaching/serpentofgen.html

Lest we be too quick to dismiss Bullinger as an over the top micronaalyzer, recall Pauls description of Satan in 2Cor11:14

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

[NOTE: In Genesis 3, it is possible that nachash is used in the verbal form as a noun. If that is the case, the proper translation of hanachash in Genesis 3 would be "the Shining one." This understanding of nachash fits in very well with Paul's description of Satan appearing as an "angel of light" (II Cor. 11:14).]
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/satan.htm

Paul was describing false apostles that were coming to the Corinthians as servents of righteousness (GOD). Do you not believe this - Satan himself masquerades as an "angel of light".

Where does Paul get this idea of an "angel of light"? It could have been a reference from Job 38:4 (morning stars). But perhaps through Christ and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul knew the story of the Garden and it was the "shining one" before Eve.
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GETTING BACK TO ADAM

Let's assume that Bullinger is correct. If so, then Adam would have known that the "shining one" that deceived Eve was an adversary of God. A good clue was when God cursed the "shining one":).

Adam is intelligent. He would have gotten the symbolism in Gen3 concerning Eve's curse when referencing it back to the seeds of Satan and woman. Some descendant would defeat the "shining one".

Adam's relationship with God was broken, but he had hope that it would be restored due to God's Word. Even if Adam did not "get it all" in Gen3, there is nothing to say Adam did not ask God later. Remember God talked to Cain, so communication was not cut off completely.

When Eve gave birth to Cain, even his name might imply that she thought this would be the "redeemer" - the one to make things right.

Cain - Acquire; to get

Eve said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth (the) man." Gen 4:1
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ORAL TRADITION

Adam lived a long time. Cain was a disappointment, but Adam believed God. Oral tradition is a big part of the Middle East. I would like to think in Adams' travels or perhaps when descendants would visit him - Adam would recount the stroy of the Garden, and tell the people what God said in Gen3. Maybe Adam later left notes for Moses, maybe not.

I think the story of a "redeemer" was passed down by Adam through the generations - Job had heard it, and believed in a redeemer. Maybe the ressurection was not an idea of heaven, but rather an idea that when redeemed man would commune with God again (like Adam did)as God would restore the relationship with mankind.
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Ok. I will admit to some different thinking in this theory, but I do not believe it violates Scripture. Just a different way of looking at the garden scene. Just something for people, that have an interest, to chew on :)

Job 16:1-19:29


What we have here is a failure to communicate; everybody is talking but no one is listening. Each has his point to get across and no one is interested in what the other person has to say, or even why they are saying it. Each charges on and on and on to get their thoughts and opinions out thinking that what they have to say is important and the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: (James 1:19 KJV)

Before this current reading I gave little credence to what any of Job’s friends had to say and looked for the hay to eat amongst the sticks of Job’s words. Anything between chapters 2 and 37th was just a bunch of hot air blowing around created by men who know about God but who really don’t know God. Today I realized that the behavior, the words and arguments of Job’s three friends are important in understanding our desire to justify ourselves and the words we use to accomplish that justification. Job’s three friends are us!

Grace and peace,
Ramona

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