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Two types of wisdom are being shown --a worldly wisdom and a godly wisdom. Temperal versus eternal.


John 4:24
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." NIV

John 6:46
"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."

God is a spirit. If the universe, as recent scientific suggestions have indicated, is made up of nine (9) dimensions. Then the Creator of the universe must be at least one more dimension. A finite human being of (3) dimensions cannot possibly see a (10) ten or more dimension entity.

So what is going on? What are these people seeing when they see God? Some say it is an anthropomorphism - they really mean they are in the presence of God. This may work in some of the situations, but I believe it is an incarnate form of God that is not the Spirit. I believe they are seeing God, but it is always Jesus. This would work and be consistent with al the verses.

An answer from an apologetic site:
NOTE: If someone does not buy the ten dimension argument - one would have to admit that God exists in definately more than three dimensions, and the argument would still hold.

Matt 27

Pilate had mad three blunders in Israel, two of which had been reported to the emperor, and the other caused a minor riot.

Pilate could not afford another report to the emperor, or he might be recalled. The Jewish leaders had Pilate over a barrel.

For details on this and other interesting facts about the Roman trial - see John MacArthur's links below. A lot of reading, but it might be fascinating to some.

Barabbas - "son of a father", but in Aramaic it means "God-given son"

So the crowd was asked to choose. Some yelled "Jesus", most called for Barabbas.

Is it any different today??? When people have to choose - do they choose the "Son of God", or something different that has an allusion to spirituality - but is false. Some choose Jesus. Sadly, most do not.
The Soldiers Mock Jesus

Jesus was flogged and spit upon, but I think something else was done that Matthew did not record, but was prophesied by Isaiah.

Is. 50:6
"I offered my back to those who beat me,
my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
I did not hide my face
from mocking and spitting."

I think Jesus' beard was plucked by hand. It hurt, but it also changed His appearance. The reason I think this: when Jesus was ressurected - no one recognized Him until they heard His voice or Jesus affirmed it was Him. Think about it - besides the marred visage Jesus must have had at that time - He may have been without a beard. Ever known anybody that had a beard for a long time and shaved it off one day? Looks like a different person, doesn't it?

[just a thought]

Exodus 34:14
"Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." NIV

God is jealous????

"When we use the word jealous, we use it in the sense of being envious of someone who has something we don't have. A person might be jealous or envious of another person because he or she has a nice car or home (possessions)....

...When we look at this verse, we find that it is not that God is jealous or envious because someone has something He wants that He does not possess...Notice that in this verse God is talking about being jealous if someone gives something that belongs to Him to another....

...In these verses, God is speaking of people making idols and bowing down and worshiping those idols instead of giving God the worship that belongs to Him alone. God is possessive of the worship and service that belong to Him. It is a sin (as God points out in this commandment) to worship or serve anything other than Him. So, in summary, it is a sin when we desire, or we are envious, or we are jealous of someone because he has something that we do not have. It is a different use of the word jealous when God says He is jealous. What He is jealous for belongs to Him; worship and service belong to Him alone, and are to be given to Him alone."
Ex 35:2
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." NIV

Forgetting any disagreement on what day to worship, I want to present this as a picture of Salvation. It is a thought in progress, so we'll see if there is any support for this later in the Bible.

God rested from his work (creation) on the seventh day.

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his."

We may work, but in the end (sabbath was last day of the week), ultimately we are to rest from our work.

I think when we enter God's rest - we are relying on, depending on, trusting in God. We are not to continue working our way to heaven, but trust in the Lord to provide. He did , with the cross and ressurection of Jesus Christ. So will we enter God's rest and accept his plan and solution?

Or will we continue to "work" for our salvation to the end (sabbath)? If we do, the sentence is death. By not trusting in the Lord, one is rejecting His plan, and Jesus Christ - foregoing "eternal life" for the only other alternative.

[This may not be right, not written well, or is incomplete - will revisit it again in future readings. For now - just putting it out there.]

You gave referencew to the 2nd letter to the Corinthians verses 7 - 18, but it is missing the chapter. I have looked for this in every chapter of 1st and 2nd Corinthians to no avail. Please check your location and what version this is taken from and let me know where it is. thanks, Doug

The Soldiers Mock Jesus, Interesting thought John. I have always thought that the reason was that no one recognized Jesus because He was taken up to Heaven and upon His return. He had a glorified body. If you think of the Exodus account of Moses coming down from Mt Sanai, He was like 'bleached white' or, 'son' burned from being in the Presence of God. Doug :)

THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STONES ON WHICH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE WRITTEN: The words of the Ten Commandments are the same, but notice the difference in the first and second set of stones. When the first set was written, Moses had Joshua with him on the mountain to carry the stones. This time Moses was told to come alone. When the first set was written, God Himself carved the words on the stone (Exodus 32:13-16). When Moses came down from the mountain, in anger he took those “Sacred Stones” on which God had written and threw them and broke them (Exodus 32:19). Now we see God again giving Moses the Ten Commandments but this time God makes Moses carry the load and chisel the words into the stones himself (Exodus 34:27-28). I think there may be a lesson here for all of us. God is the same never-changing loving and faithful God. However, when we do something (especially in anger) to harm what God has given us, we will have to do the work to repair the damage we have caused. God is still with us but He will require us to make a conscientious effort to renew our relationship with Him!

God Bless,

Holen, it is 2 Corinthians 3:13-16.

God Bless,

Veronica, I like what you said on temporal versus eternal. I think that says it all.

I like Exodus 34:10. God said, "And all the people around you will see the power of the Lord - the awesome power I will display through you." Jesus said the same thing when he said, "“I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father." John 14:12 (NLT)

God wants to use us by displaying His power through us. He says this can only be done if we follow and obey his commands. "Jesus replied, ‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” Matthew 22:37-40

That's what I am taking to heart from today's reading.

Dear Pat,

I LOVED what you remarked about the difference between the 1st set of tablets and the second! WOW!

"...However, when we do something (especially in anger) to harm what God has given us, we will have to do the work to repair the damage we have caused. God is still with us but He will require us to make a conscientious effort to renew our relationship with Him!"

That speaks to my heart! I've been blessed by what you shared! Thank you!

God Bless you,



Can anyone help me? I'm confused about who wrote the words on the second set of tablets.

Ex. 34:1 says, "...Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke."

Ex 34:27 seems to say that Moses will write. "Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words, I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

BUT... Ex 34:28 says, "...And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

So God used His finger the first time. But who wrote the second set????

The commentary seems to say it was Moses. But it doesn't make sense to me.

THANK YOU, thank you, thank you!

Blessings to you,

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Psalm 33:20-22 were awesome today! "We wait in hope for the Lord, He is our help and our shield. In Him our hearts rejoice for we trust in his holy name. May your unfailing love rest upon us O lord even as we put our hope in you."

About wisdom...yeah I think you can find some wisdom in lots of different areas...other books, from other people etc...but like you said, only 100% of true wisdom comes from God. I like to ask the opinions of others but I try not to take that opinion only, I make sure that I pray about it first and see what God says about it too.


Dear Cherie,

Yes, it is rather confusing. I looked at www.blueletterbible.org which has a facility to let you look at any verse in 13 different versions at once. Only the NKJV has "He" capitalized; the other versions make it seem that "he" refers to Moses. However, if you go to Deuteronomy 10 and start from verse one, it is very clear there that God wrote the commandments the second time around, too. Deu 10:4 says "The Lord wrote on these tablets what he had written before..." NIV

Blessings to you, Becky

Verses that stood out for me today ...
Exodus 34:6-7 "I am the LORD, I am the LORD, the merciful and gracious God. I am slow to anger and rich in unfailing love and faithfulness. I show this unfailing love to many thousands by forgiving every kind of sin and rebellion."
Exodus 34:29 “The firstborn of every animal belongs to me, including the firstborn males from your herds of cattle and your flocks of sheep and goats".
Matthew 27:24 "... So he sent for a bowl of water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood. The responsibility is yours!”
Matthew 27:29 "... Then they knelt before him in mockery and taunted, “Hail! King of the Jews!”
Psalm 33:18 "But the Lord watches over those who fear him, those who rely on his unfailing love".
Proverbs 9:6 "Leave your simple ways behind, and begin to live; learn to use good judgment.”

Does your heart literally rejoice when you think about God? Do you trust in God's holy name? ~ Oh yesssssssss Amen!!!!! My heart literally rejoice when I think about God! My heart warms up and beats a bit faster when I think about God and all the things He does for me! He heard my prayers, He proved to me that He can look into my heart! I didn't need prove for that, but He showed me. I trust Him completely! We're a saved family now ...; Rene, I and Jaden ... I'm not afraid anymore ... NEVER EVER again!!! I didn't have a bad marriage or anything like that, but now ... ohhhhhhhhhh it feels so much higher!!!! I feel that God has a plan with us. Hmmm ... does my dream come true? Will I be a Pastor's Wife? LOL Yes, I know, I dream BIG!!! I had this dream a while ago hee hee hee But yes, I trust in God's holy name ... my husband believed in the evolution, and that was only 6 months ago, see now today, he's a Christian! Praise our heavenly Father! "Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance" 1 Corinthians 13:7

Thank you all for your sweet comments & messages, you're the best!!! Your enthousiasm is such an encouragement for both Rene and I. I showed him all the comments and messages and his reaction was "Wow, it surely is one big family!". Well yeah ... it is!!! Amen! As for Rene joining this readings, I don't know. His English is not as good (???) as mine. He can understand English and he can talk English. But reading and writing will be hard. But hey, you never know, eh? See where God brought him so far??!!! Rene will join our "New Believers Bible Class" in March, see, Rene has to start from 0. He knows about Adam & Eve, Mozes, Noach ... but that's about it. So he has to start from the beginning. Maybe the readings from here are a step to high for him ... just for now. But I surely hope we can do our readings together!!!

Umm I'm sorry PAT - what version are you reading from? In the NRSV & KJV it only says God told Moses to chisel out the tablets, but God still wrote the words both times?
Here is the KJV - 1And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
Now the NASB - The Two Tablets Replaced
1Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself (A)two stone tablets like the former ones, and (B)I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.
Can u enlighten me please!

I loved the commentary from II Corinthians. Beautifully said!
Pilate "washed his hands" but only in his mind. I believe he knew the truth, but he cared more for his popularity and appeasing the people. The children of darkness hate the light, so much so they rather see a murderer go free then Jesus. We still see this today...we can have no mention of God or Jesus, but sin and complete evil are "acceptable" in people's eyes. There's a local radio station I listen to because they play great Christian music (called the Fish)...but the djs dont talk about Jesus or scripture. its a worldy Christian station...it bothers me, but i like the music they play. i know Christians who refuse to listen to it. The djs have segments like, "intelligence for your life" where he gives advice on being successful, fitness tips, etc. I mean, why is God's word never mentioned? I would be surprised if they mentioned Jesus' name. How on earth can you have a victorious Christian life without the word of God? We cant even talk about Him on "Christian" stations? Well, i turn the dial wen the djs come on and go to sound Christian stations.
I really liked a station i heard up near Monterrey Bay that i dont get here, called Air1. not only great music, but scriptures between songs, the djs glorifying God's name. I really loved it. how did i get off on this tangent? haha

Psalms is so comforting. some verses that stood out: v 13-15
v 18 "But the eyes of the LORD are on those who fear him, on those whose hope is in his unfailing love"

v 20-22 "We wait in hope for the LORD; he is our help and our shield. In him our hearts rejoice, for we trust in his holy name. May your unfailing love rest upon us, O LORD, even as we put our hope in you"

Yes, my heart so rejoices in His name...especially when I'm in the midst of evil...well, my job, it can be very difficult and I'm pretty much the only Christian there (i have many coworkers) and the warfare is intense, almost unbearable at times. I mean, realllly hard to be there at times around my coworkers. though i love them all, collectively its like a war zone and i'm on one side and they are on the other spiritually speaking. I can actually feel the spiritual warfare...it just attacks me emotionally so bad at times. Sometimes in the midst of a bust work day, i really just go into a crazy busy work mode and I get tunnel vision. Then in the midst of all this, the secular station playing will play a Mercy me song, like Here With Me, I Can Only Imagine, etc. I seriously stop and feel the Lord reminding me, I'm HERE with You!!! I just want to jump up and down and praise Him. There is soooo much joy in hearing His name glorified and praised in the midst of the chaos...it puts things into perspective. I just thank HIM and sing along as loud as i want, i dont care if clients hear, haha. I love it! HIs name is a LIGHT in the midst of darkness. In the midst of chaos He is ORDER and STability, a sure and steady foundation!!! I LOVE His name. He is the only truth in this world, the only surety. My job isnt always that bad, spiritually, but I sure gotta armor myself before i go in there. its a real struggle at times. But going through the storms makes you cherish the Sonshine all the more! His name is a mighty mighty fortress!!!

I believe there is a difference between intelligence (worldly knowledge..not necessarily all bad) and wisdom, Godly knowledge. Wisdom can only be found in the Word of God and the Lord working in your life. I think pastors and authors, fellow Christians can impart their wisdom to us, but where did they get that wisdom? From the word of God! We also should be careful wat we read, wat we listen to...is it really from God? or false prophets, wolves. we need discernment! we need to compare all things to the word of the Lord before we trust in it. in fact, if in doubt, i dont trust it! Some of these wolves appear sooo obvious, but i guess to others they arent. i was talking about this with my dad...how ridiculous some of these ppl are! How do ppl fall for it??? But i guess its the gift of discernment that allows some of us to see through the charade... So yes, the bible is 100% wisdom 100% of the time.

re: 9 Dimensions of the Universe - I did a search on this topic and found this url

and a very good article about it-



after that I went to this url - http://www.thegodtheory.com/index.htm Which also

has a very good video clip to think about. See it for your self.

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