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'If you stay in this land, I will build you up and not tear you down; I will plant you and not uproot you, for I am grieved over the disaster I have inflicted on you. ....None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives."
Alot of chaotic changes have been going on in my life for the past few months.By God's grace,things are beginning to settle down...I read the posts on "church"yesterday,I'm not going to continue the thread but I just want to share with you about the remnant of Israel..
For hundreds of years the church chose to ignore Israel saying God has replaced his promises to her with promises to the gentile church.Now many jews are recognising Jesus as their Lord and a reconciliation process has started.Last week a conference was held in Bucharest with all the denominations and the messianic jews...the theme,reconciliation and forgiveness.Jesus prayed that we the body be one as the God,Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one,it is a miracle to see this coming to pass and my prayer today is though we are all different,we should love,accept one another so the world may truly know us as followers of Christ.
God bless you all

mike, i think the proverbs are meant to be complementary and not mutually exclusive. ie, if you ARE gong to use your time to answer a fool, make sure you do so quickly and efficiently and in a way that means they know you think they are fools and don't get drawn into 'endless genealogies and arguments of no value'. If you aren't going to bother, then make a claer decision not to bother and don't come back later and waste your time!

Mike, I believe attitude is the key to reconciling these proverbs. When arguing with fools and it becomes intense, then you put them on the defensive and they will not listen to what you have to say. The argument will lead to anger and that will only make the fool more determine to stand by his/her incorrect thinking. If you answer their questions quietly with a smile on your face and preface it with “I understand what you are saying but this is what I believe” then you may just plant the seed that will make them reconsider. You are not criticizing them but instead offering them your opinion for consideration. After all, Jesus stands at the door and knocks – He doesn’t beat the door down or demand that the nonbeliever let Him in, and He is our role model. In the same manner, we can’t project Christian attitude and beliefs by beating a person over the head with them. We have to gently and lovingly put forth our love for Christ and His love for us so that the nonbeliever will want to open the door of his/her heart to receive the message.

God Bless!
Pat

There are so many wonderfully inspiring truths in these chapters.

From Jeremiah 42:3 Pray that the LORD your God will tell us where we should go and what we should do. For those who wonder about God's will for their lives, this is a good place to start--ask the Lord to show us where to go and what to do. I have turned to these verses many times for direction.

As well, 2 Timothy is chalk full of great teaching. I love that Paul invests himself in the life of his protege Timothy. Paul knows he is on his way out and one of his legacies is the deep investment of life to life he has had in Timothy's life. He says, "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others." 2 tim 2:2. But he precedes this by saying, "You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus." We minister to people out of grace environment. I thank God for the "Pauls' in my life through the years, and I am privileged to be a Paul to people in my own sphere of influence. Keep on investing in SOMEONE!!!

Mike, When reading these verses in proverbs I am reminded that I am not a good argurer. One of my daily prayer request is for wisdom in my speech because if I am not careful I will end up being the fool in both instances. Brandon

Proverbs 26:3-5 ~~~ Jeremiah 42:1-44:23


To the Chief Musician. [A Psalm] of David. THE [empty-headed] fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable deeds; there is none that does good or right. [Rom. 3:10.] (Psalms 14:1 AMP)

Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted.
(Psalms 107:17 KJV)

Mike—I believe the answer to your question regarding the text of today’s Proverb can be found in our reading of Jeremiah. A fool is someone who has not submitted themselves to the obedience of God and that submission is not based on what they say, what they appear to be doing but on what is in their heart. Jesus said, O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. (Matthew 12:34 KJV). What we speak and how we speak is never limited to what comes out of our mouths. We speak in three ways: words, body and deed; our actions speak louder than our words, our body language as we speak gives BIG hints to what we are saying.

The “leaders” who killed Gedaliah, the leaders who then killed and chased Gedaliah’s assassins, “Johanan son of Kareah and Jezaniah son of Hoshaiah” were all “guerrillas,” rebels. They were not rebels who carried a righteous indignation against the appointed leadership, they were rebels against God and His Word. A fool by his/her very nature and character will not submit to God and that is why the writer of Proverbs states:

Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you'll be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his foolishness, or he'll become wise in his own eyes. (Proverbs 26:4-5 HCSB)

No matter how you answer, a fool he/she will still be a fool and believers are in danger of falling into the same pot as the fool if they associate with him or her. A fool is angry that is why they are rebelling against God and established leadership.

Don't make friends with an angry man, and don't be a companion of a hot-tempered man, or you will learn his ways and entangle yourself in a snare. (Proverbs 22:24-25 HCSB)


Rebellious people, thus fools, can never be trusted. If they rebel against godly leadership, they will rebel against God and if they rebel against God they will rebel against godly leadership. This mode operand can be found in every area of life, in the man or woman who declares to the husband or wife that is not there’s that they will leave their respective spouses if only …, o the person whose change of behavior or lifestyle is predicated on someone or something else changing before they “get it together.”

Fools approached Jeremiah for a Word from God and God humored and tested them. They got their Word and they remained fools. Change is not change until it’s changed. If you are speaking to a “fool”, either you are trying to effect change in the fools life or you are trying to make yourself look good or wise in the eyes of others. Either way your words are wasted. KNOW your audience and know yourself well enough that you operate out of right motives.

I agree. A tough one but like you said seeing the wisdom in both truths. Not allowing ourself to go to the same vile, ignorance responds as the fool. Speaking the truth in wisdom and love would stifle any attemt by the fool to boast in knowledge in his argument.

I want to thank you so much for your daily blog. It accompanies the daily reading so nicley. It is food for thought. Keep up the good work. (Gal 6:9)

Proverb 26(the message)
4Don't respond to the stupidity of a fool;

you'll only look foolish yourself.


5Answer a fool in simple terms

so he doesn't get a swelled head.

I have been struggling with these two arguments for many months now. I work for a board on which sit two men who definitely fit the description of putting forth foolish arguments. I have waivered between arguing with them and at that time losing time and spending energy in a futile effort to enlighten them which never happens and sitting silently through the entire meeting without correcting them or enlightening them with the correct information. They always only give the part of the information which will support their position and never listen to the rest of the information or to any of the other board members. I go home frustrated after every board meeting. To answer them or not, neither course of action corrects the problem - fools never or rarely take advice or change their position. After much discussion with my wife and friends, I believe one must wait patiently until the Lord sees fit to remove such a person from authority and then you can move on. Or you may have to separate yourself from a certain situation and move on with your life if you are not patient enough to bear the burden of working with a foolish person.

Ask a foolish Question...
You get a foolish answer.

Is that from an Almanac?

Hmmm...

I like playing with proverbs. I Used to take one a day and try to apply and live by...

Grace and Forgiveness is alot easier but wisdom is foound in the chapters.

When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are.

When arguing with fools, be sure to answer their foolish arguments, or they will become wise in their own estimation.

This kind of logic is fun because at first it seems like a contradiction...

(though when I asked a child this with no preconceived idea that this could be contrary they seemed to have no problem and gave me the answer immediately...sometimes I overthink a situation....(grin).

I like what Butch wrote, it's closer to where I am.

Jesus seemed to have a board of elders he had to deal with and quite bluntly even by western mind set, there question once you know the rest of the story is quite foolish:


Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Luk 20:29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.

Luk 20:30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.

Luk 20:31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.

Luk 20:32 Last of all the woman died also.

Luk 20:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.

Hmmmp...given those "set of circumstances...it might not sound like a foolish question.

But Jewish Law and in reality, God's laws, were a little less severe I think and applied to the whole person...Paul knew the law:

Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Rom 7:3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

THIS is the Answer...

But Why didn't Jesus simply do as Paul did and use the LAW to Answer the Question.

What was the The Foolish Question they said and waht was really the question they had?

Pauls Answer if it had been given would be Proverbs 26:4

When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are.

They would have argued NEXT about resurrection because that did not believe in it and if you have seen heated discussions, if you start answering what people are asking they ask another question....

BUT.....

Jesus Knew they already HAD the answer according to Law and really weren't asking about Marriage...,

He said,
Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.


Whoops... Ask a Silly question you might get more than you bargained for...

Jesus Eliminated the discussion by answering the questions that were not asked and showing the evidence of the answer from Keen Insight into the real issues.

We all have two languages and maybe a whole lot more...

We might say we want a soda when we really want to get out of the house and the real issue is we don't know how to past that sticky point in a statement you just made with your spouse so it's..."I am going to get a soda"

We often resist the Truth and are openly terrified of anyone gettting "inside our skin" or heart to really see what we did and why and what we really mean.

Proverbs knows this and reveals not contradiction, but a "contra-indication"


"When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are. When arguing with fools, be sure to answer their foolish arguments, or they will become wise in their own estimation."

In other words...don't give them waht they already know....or they will feel wise and you look foolish..., but Have God show you what really is the issue and you may get to the rest of proverbs to find out How to reply in such as way as to be like Jesus who when he was done answering got this response


Luk 20:39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.

Luk 20:40 And after that they durst not ask him any [question at all].

Wise Men listen, they wait, they observe and when they finally speak thier mind, usually all doubt and discussion is removed.

Having created, participated, stirred up circumvented, well every wrong way to do a thing.... in thinking back I get a kick out of thinking about board meetings and watching how silly we make things seem so important,

Donald Trump can't really get to the bottom of the antics in the board room, but given a few well placed scenes and typical human nature (sinful) everyone seems to know the first part of proverbs 26...

I hope for Butch and all of us we get the chance to answer a fool in his folly......

The response may indicate whether it was from us or from the Lord Jesus who seems to be able to take a lifetime to touch even ahardened soul like mine.

There is a time for everything under the sun.

2Timothy2:19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

After looking at a few different translations of that proverb, the impression I got was "don't satisfy a fool's desire to think he is not a fool by engaging his idiocy in intelligent discourse. Rather, give him an answer that will remind him that he has no mind and help inspire him to go get wisdom for himself."

Mnyess.

I too struggled with the verses in Proverbs- I have them highlighted with a bunch of gray smudge from writing and erasing changing thoughts on this verse.

There aren't any contradictions in the Word of God, so this verse is one of the many God gives to attract us more to study His Word.

I don't think I could have said it any better than what Michael wrote! Very well put, and it was easy to put two and two together since I just completed rereading the book of Luke!

Thanks for the insight Brother!

"If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself." 2 Timothy 2:11-13

I love this verse. It states very clearly ...we must be faithful to Him!

Hello friends...Asking if you could please keep ppl in southern California in prayer. So many ppl are without homes, so many firemen are out there. Everyone here is affected. Many ppl at my dad's church live in an area that was evacuated. My sister's boyfriend just became a fireman and is out there. Everyone here is nervous. Its ugly, stinky, smoky, and windy outside. Real eerie. Please keep us in prayer! thank you!

Hi Jenny,
Yes, I live up here in WA and we have many close connections with people in So. Cali. I've heard of peoples houses being destroyed and even some churches. Rest assured that we are all praying for you up here.

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